Five String Fiddle

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  • #56132
    rodger
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    I’m fascinated with the idea of a 5-String, and scared to death of jumping in and getting involved.  I have so many irons in the fire now I’m just going around in circles getting nothing done and finishing nothing either.  I resisted the temptation to get one of those silent electronic fiddles you play with headphones.  I want a viola real bad, but still digging in my heels on that.  I don’t have the money to do any of this, but life’s too short to worry about that (right?)….Can anyone please discourage me from this temptation?

    Oh, John..still waiting for you to demonstrate your 5-string in a lesson…

    #56133
    rodger
    rodger
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    OH…NO….now this….!!!   (Carbon Fiber)

    Is there really a Santa??  Does anyone have his address??

    #56134
    cricket
    cricket
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    Oh no…I feel your pain, Rodger, but I think it’s also contagious!  I want that carbon five string fiddle, and I also wanna play it like he does!!!! My old guitar friends used to call it GAS…Guitar Acquisition Syndrome…well, I guess there’s fiddle gas to watch out for too…I did get my cheap Chinese viola, so…that alleviated some of it for me…and like I said…I feel your pain…and I’m catching it too…lol!  More to go on the Wish List!!!!

    #56135
    rodger
    rodger
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    Oh my, maybe we should all get vaccinated so this doesn’t spread any farther..

    #56136
    cricket
    cricket
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    Too late for us…maybe still hope for some others…but I doubt it!

    #56138
    rodger
    rodger
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    DEAR SANTA:  I’m not sure if you have time to visit the forum with you being so busy & all…but I hope you need some Christmas music or maybe just checking to see if we’ve all been good.  Anyway I haven’t written you for a long time cause I been busy too…and then, well, a lot people been saying things, like you can’t really slide down all those chimneys in just one night, and then there’s the flying reindeer thing & all..but, you see, I never really doubted or nothing…just didn’t want to make things any harder for you.  Say, this year I have an idea…well, I mean….Oh never mind…it’s OK…

    P.S. If you check out Mr. Clevelands video up above you’ll see he’s looking real good & been really working hard & all.  Maybe you could drop something special off for him & his buddy there…

    #56139
    cricket
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    A little revision here and there and he might just bring you your carbon 5 string fiddle…but…possibly yes, probably no…lol.  This reminds me of what I thought was a funny conversation. A couple of weeks ago Mike and I were visiting my dad…having coffee and the talk frequently goes toward religion…my dad and every other man ever in the family on either side having been preachers at one time or the other, you know. And, I can’t remember exactly how it cane about, but my dad, in all seriousness, made the statement in the course of the conversation that, “Jews don’t believe in Santa Claus…” lol…well I about couldn’t keep the gulp of coffee in my mouth, laughing…I’m like…”oh?  that’s not part of their religion then?”  He never did see the humor or what was striking me as funny, which just made me have a harder time getting it back together again…” Dad, do Baptists believe in Santa Claus?”  He thought I was being ridiculous asking such a question…lol…ok…something was being miscommunicated that day…but I still have to laugh when I think of that…seems it could go down as a classic quote…Jews don’t believe in Santa Claus…struck me as funny…lol.  I guess in all seriousness, he meant Jews don’t play Santa, write letters, leave milk and cookies, etc.  But at the moment it just hit me as so funny I couldn’t contain myself.

    • This reply was modified 9 months ago by cricket cricket.
    #56141
    rodger
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    Well, we’ve all probably had our doubts at one time or another…I guess that’s normal, but I sure don’t want to live in a world when people stop believing.  Sure, maybe he’s finally lost some weight, & I’m sure he’s had to make some changes, but I’m sure he’s still doing just fine.

    #56142
    cricket
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    I took a walk in the snow earlier…turned onto a street with lots of Christmas decorations and came across a deflated Rudolf…I guess he couldn’t join in any reindeer games…not that way…not till that boy got his self some air!

    • This reply was modified 9 months ago by cricket cricket.
    #56144
    rodger
    rodger
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    Someone got a pellet gun for Christmas…

    #56145
    cricket
    cricket
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    Lol…maybe.

    #56146
    Steve Srader
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    https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/A-Revolutionary-5-Strings-Violin-Warm-Tone-Concerto-Level-Antique-oil-varnishing/1052700_32239176746.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.621fdcdbCuaO3s

    Here is a china violin site called Old violin house 5 string for $308.00 includes shipping .

    #56147
    rodger
    rodger
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    Oh, I just wanted to clear up one thing Cricket…did you mean to say if you or I got one of those fancy black fiddles, that it just might not sound quite like Michael’s video there, with us playing??  I can’t imagine why not?  ..but I’ll take your word for it.

    #56149
    Steve Srader
    Steve Srader
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    I got the fever for anything violin if I buy one and it don’t work out maybe I can donate it to John for his violin camps

    #56151
    rodger
    rodger
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    Edit:  The post link Steve posted is different from the link I navigated too:

    Steve, in the same website they have a 5-string that’s the same violin as the $1000.00 Fidderman 5 string.  The pictures are the exact same pictures.  Same fittings, strings, & everything.  The flamed back has it personal, signature flames, and no two are exactly the same, so those have to be the same pictures.  It is great wood…how can they sell those so cheap??  Says free shipping to Canada…do you know anything about this company??

    Here is the link I’m talking about:

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Maestro-Stradi-4-4-Violin-violino-Powerful-tone-Antique-Varnish-Old-Spruce-One-Pc-Back/1998287558.html?spm=2114.search0104.0.0.kt2a65

    • This reply was modified 9 months ago by rodger rodger.
    #56152
    cricket
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    Uh-oh…I’m thinking Steve might be the real Santa Claus!  And, well, Rodger, if my playing ever even came close to MCleveland’s when he was just a little a child, I’d probably be able to convince Mike to mortgage the house for a five string carbon fiddle…lol.  I guess given my abilities at this point, I oughta be happy there’s cheap Chinese fiddles🤣

    #56153
    Steve Srader
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    Rodger I know nothing about this company I was just shopping on the internet . I am thinking of maybe trying out one of the 4 string violins and if it don’t work out I will donate it to Johns kids camp next year or worst case lesson learned they wont get a second chance .

    #56154
    rodger
    rodger
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    EDIT:   Steve, on that same web site they have a 5-string which the pictures are the exact same pictures used for the Fiddlerman 5-string.  The picture of the bridge is exact same angle, same bridge, all the fittings, chin rest etc. etc.  I wonder if they are sending different ones to Fiddlerman, or…??  Say’s they have a thousand of them available…just wonder if they sell different qualities of instruments using the same pictures to represent them??

    If they sound good enough for Fiddlerman to sell them for a thousand dollars…how can they sell them for $250?  You’ll find other fiddle’s on that site that Fiddlerman is selling also.  Just seems ‘too’ good…

    #56155
    Steve Srader
    Steve Srader
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    Maybe We should check the reviews and feed back on this site

     

    #56156
    rodger
    rodger
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    I googled the site for reviews & there’s hundreds of people calling them crooks!  Sounds like a real gamble.  You’d have to be prepared to lose the entire amount, but maybe there’s a chance it’s real.

    #56157
    Steve Srader
    Steve Srader
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    Kind of scary . I watched some utube of unboxing and a few playing and mixed reviews . I am going to stay away for now .

    #56158
    cricket
    cricket
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    Somewhere on this site there’s a huge review of various low-priced fiddles, by Scott.  It’s excellent.  My daughter read it and settled on a cheap Chinese with pretty good reviews for a half size for her son to start a violin class…when they got it, I went over and tuned it up, etc., and was really impressed.  I promptly ordered my cheap Chinese viola of the same brand…so far, happy with everything except the bridge curve height…even the strings are decent, but once the strings get changed, I’ll let Mike cut that bridge down some for me so it’ll be better for old time.  We chose Cecilio brand…but many brands are discussed in Scott’s article…my viola was less than 200…around 180 or so.  For the price, I couldn’t be happier…this means I can have a viola…my grandson’s 1/2 violin is holding up nicely too.  Have you guys read that big huge review by Scott?  Lots of brands discusssed…lots of price ranges…I found it very helpful in this world of cheap imported decent stuff verses cheap imported rip offs.

    #56164
    rodger
    rodger
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    The problem isn’t with what they are advertising Cricket.  They are advertising legitimate fiddles.  But this link Steve posted is from a Chinese vendor that seems to have a scary reputation, including hijacking your credit card to not even delivering, or delivering different from what was advertised, plus it takes months to get delivered from China.  Did you order yours from China, or what vendor did you use?

    This link below takes you to a 5 string is exactly what Fiddlerman is selling for a thousand dollars, even using the exact same factory literature pictures, but they have it for $250!

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Maestro-Stradi-4-4-Violin-violino-Powerful-tone-Antique-Varnish-Old-Spruce-One-Pc-Back/1998287558.html?spm=2114.search0104.0.0.kt2a65

    • This reply was modified 9 months ago by rodger rodger.
    #56169
    cricket
    cricket
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    Well we read Great Scott’s reviews and ordered ours from Amazon.

    #56170
    Steve Srader
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    Cricket what Cecilio viola model did you buy ? 300 – 400 – 500 – 600

    Did you get the full size or smaller size ?

    #56174
    rodger
    rodger
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    Steve, I made a mistake.  The link you posted was not the same fiddle that is the Fiddlerman 5 string.  What happened was, when I was on your link I clicked on another ad on the ali site.  Here is the link that I was talking about:

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Maestro-Stradi-4-4-Violin-violino-Powerful-tone-Antique-Varnish-Old-Spruce-One-Pc-Back/1998287558.html?spm=2114.search0104.0.0.kt2a65

    I apologize for anyone getting confused by referring to Steve’s link, but the post is still valid.  The fiddle on this link above is the exact same fiddle as the Fidderman thousand dollar fiddle.

     

    #56176
    cricket
    cricket
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    I got the smallest size viola…or the one that said it was smallest adult viola….maybe 14 or something…I can’t remember now but it was the smallest full size, whatever that is.  I figured I couldn’t handle any bigger.

    #56186

    John Cockman
    Keymaster

    Oh my, I’m drooling over that instrument that Michael Cleveland is playing. Of course, he could make anything sound great.

    Here is a link to Scott’s review post:
    https://bluegrassdaddy.com/forums/topic/review-of-fiddles-under-500/

    Rodger, I hope Santa is good to you! After all, he doesn’t have to fly far to get to where you are. You’re probably one of the first on his list! 🙂

    I can understand your apprehension about deciding on an inexpensive 5-string. It’s one thing to buy a cheap fiddle when you are curios about learning, but most people who buy 5-strings are already committed to fiddling. Because of this, most 5-string buyers want a good instrument that will last them for years.

    Mine was made by a local luthier (Bob Kogut) and I was able to play it before buying. I would be very hesitant to get one through the mail!

    #56187
    Steve Srader
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    Looking at all the fiddles has given me fiddle fever, I want ever fiddle I see , and I cant help but want , want , want them I fell guilty about cheating on my fiddle so maybe I’ll behave , but I still want a five string and a viola too , somebody stop me !!! I’m like a teenager looking at new cars and girls

    #56189

    John Cockman
    Keymaster

    Haha you need to write a country cheating song about your fiddle.

    #56190
    rodger
    rodger
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    Believe it or not Steve, I saw a “5-string viola” advertised somewhere on that Chinese list also….Do we ever grow out of being a teenager??

    #56191
    Steve Srader
    Steve Srader
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    Maybe , I will write a country song about cheating on my violin . It would fit right in with Rodger miller stuff HA! Rodger I think I’m getting worse as I get older on the teenager thing , but got no tools to work with Ha !!

    #61027
    rodger
    rodger
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    John…I have to make a quick trip east…(real quick) & I plan on visiting International Violin because it’s not far from my brothers home & I want to stop & see him too.  I’m making the trip to pick up the 3 gravestones in Pa., because I can make the trip for the shipping costs & then get to visit family, basically for free.  Anyway, I was interested in the 5 string kit International has.  I just wanted your input about how much a person would actually use the 5 string.  Nothing is written for a 5 string, and you would have to improvise, or play what is written an octave lower when possible.  I’d love to give one a try, but not sure how much it would be used…with the strings closer together, it might be a little touchy to play……Any advice??

    (Oh…yes…Michaels rendition of Gardenia Waltz with all those amazing double stops, up above,  would be incredible to get it written out.  That would be a must learn…)

    #61030
    cricket
    cricket
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    Hope you have a good trip and can get yourself the 5 string kit, Rodger!

    #61045

    John Cockman
    Keymaster

    Rodger, I hope you have a safe trip down east. To me a 5-string is sort of a novelty. I have one but didn’t use the 5th string enough to really justify it. It is cool to have though!

    #61051
    ruckydoo
    ruckydoo
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    Michael Cleveland can make about anything sound magical!

    #61084
    rodger
    rodger
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    Yea, and I don’t see him using that C string a lot either, but I think he mostly plays with a 5 string fiddle doesn’t he?  I’m thinking it would be harder to play with 5 strings and not sure how much you would actually use the C string.

    I just have to say again what a fantastic performance of Gardenia Waltz he does (at the top of this thread).  Does anyone know just how good this is?  It’s great they got a decent recording of it.  It’s so hard to do all those double stops as perfect as he does and never seems to miss any even the tiniest bit.  You can read his emotions so clear..Especially that smile at the end shows nobody gets the satisfaction he does from playing, and with excellence like that no wonder.  He so enjoys giving us that great music.

    #61086
    cricket
    cricket
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    There’s nobody like Michael Cleveland.  I don’t go to concerts, but he was at our library free one time…I had to go to that!  WOW…it was unbelievable.

    #61087
    fiddliferous1950
    fiddliferous1950
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    Stuart Duncan, Bobbie Hicks, Paul and Johnny Warren, Hunter Berry, Jason Carter and Michael Cleveland. If I only knew the “licks” they’ve forgotten I’d be set for life!

    Hearing Michael talk about how he always uses a carbon fiber bow makes me want to get back into mine which I don’t really use that much anymore.

    #61089
    cricket
    cricket
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    Reminds me of that old joke…If I had Johnny’s Cash, Charlie’s Pride, and somebody else’s something or other (sorry…I’ve forgotten half of the joke), I wouldn’t have a Buck Owen!

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