The end of free speech
January 10, 2021 at 9:48 PM #87427Great ScottModerator
I am a very outspoken critic of anyone, or any entity, in fact, who denies us our civil liberties and freedoms. And I detest anyone who attempts to justify the denial of those rights and who supports our suppressors. President Trump has had his Twitter account closed and has been permanently banned from Twitter. Hundreds of people who do not peddle the agenda’s narrative and who have an opposing view have had their Youtube accounts permanently shutdown. And now Parler the free-speech application and online platform had been deleted from the Amazon store and other big tech stores. This is big tech ganging up to put an end to free speech and silence those who do not follow their agenda. See the video in the link below.January 10, 2021 at 10:17 PM #87428
But, seems to me since those are all private, not government corporations, they are, of course, going to cover their own behinds when it comes to possible inciting of violence through their platforms…as far as free speech…that’s anybody’s right, but private corporations will act to protect themselves from being in on something potentially violent. Can’t blame them…it’s the same as gun rights…yeah, you can have a gun, but if you go into a store, they can kick anybody out for having a gun in their store, because they don’t want to be held responsible for your shooting of somebody in there, even though you have every right to carry around your gun…but not on their property or associated with their business and reputation among their customers. If you come to visit at our house you won’t ever get alcohol…we know too well and better than we wanna know the horrible things that can happen and we don’t want to be an accomplice to whatever somebody does drunk…so…people who visit us leave us in a sober state, then if they wanna go do something harmful or stupid, they can leave us out of the picture. I think it’s kinda like that, seems to me anyway…what do you think? The president can say what he wants, but if those people who run social media platforms feel like they could inadvertently wind up being blamed for something that causes destruction of property or threats to others lives or disturbances in the functioning of our government or whatever, they are gonna say no to him or whoever else, out of fear they could get their behinds sued or tarnish their reputations among trusting customers. Just my opinion, what do you think? First amendment rights are for everyone to enjoy, but businesses can say not in my store, not on my property, not on my platform, etc. Just my opinion. I have no law degrees or any of that…just my opinion. I got kicked off a message board one time…lol…so…hey that kinda thing happens when you offend or somehow make the owner of the thing uncomfortable (by the way, in case anybody wonders…I got kicked off a vegan message board after telling of my discovery that I had food allergies which were mainly caused by variously frequently eaten foods among that group and was gonna have to alter my diet and decided to eat meat for a while to get my health back. I guess that wasn’t the right thing to say there. I still do eat meat…I’m a vegan at heart, really, but a meat-eater at stomach…because my health is better when I eat meat…although I’m not thrilled about that. still, they were in the right…I had no place discussing that on their platform and they told me to get lost. It’s ok to get banned…you live to tell it.) But the vegan message board, as much as it hurt my feelings and left me feeling detached to many friends I’d made there, did not in any way preclude my first amendment rights…they didn’t want the ideas I was expressing to be on their message board that was for vegan support only. I can’t blame them…although it’s never fun to be banned from anything…still, it is their right to run their business in the way they see fit. They weren’t stopping me from speaking, just stopping me from saying it there.January 10, 2021 at 11:21 PM #87433Great ScottModerator
I like your vegan board experience, Cricket. Very amusing. 🙂
While Parler was removed from the big techs app stores for the FALSE claim that its members had helped incite the incident at the Capitol building, the big tech companies did absolutely NOTHING to ban or even report to the FBI and other law officials the thousands of Twitter and Facebook and other leftist social media platforms the ANTIFA terrorists who use those big tech platforms to plan and co-ordinate their numerous terrorist attacks, and who, immediately after President Trump’s inauguration, stormed Berkley University and began destroying it. And they (big tech) have, since Berkley, STILL never suspended the account(s) of, or reported to the FBI or law officials, the thousands of ANTIFA terrorists who use those leftist social media platforms as a means of meeting and planning more of their attacks.
Parler was the most popular app in the app stores of Apple, Google, Amazon. The whole deletion of Parler from those app stores and the deletion of them by their servers etc, and the vilification of Parler and their lame and very false claim, seems to me (and millions of others) to be nothing more than 1) A way of terminating a social media platform that actually allowed and welcomed free speech, and 2) Ganging up and getting rid of a social media platform that wasn’t one of their own Marxist warps. and 3) Irresponsibly turning a blind eye to their own terrorizing deviates.
clouthub.com the non-big tech, non-Marxist free speech social media platform is now where Parler may be supporting its members. I may even join up to see what it’s all about. But I had better be quick before the big tech commie league shut it down.
Because of what big tech (and Amazon is one of them) I will be deleting my Amazon account ASAP to show my support for Parler and to show my disdain for Amazon and the other Marxist scum.January 11, 2021 at 12:03 AM #87434
Well, Trump was supposedly banned for “inciting violence” on twitter, and yet the next day “hang Mike Pence” was trending, ON TWITTER. If that isn’t incitement of violence then I don’t know what is. It isn’t about, “oh this is my business and I don’t want guns in here”. It’s more a case of “oh this guy can have a gun because we’re both Dallas cowboys fans, you can’t have one because you’re a Texans fan” but they simultaneously claim to be a fair and equal platform. If they admitted to being a jaded platform that only allows certain ideas, it would be fine. But they claim to like diversity and be open to other points of view. That’s why there’s a problem. It’s because of the hypocrisy, not the actionJanuary 17, 2021 at 6:09 PM #87508
“Free speech” = “Congress shall make no law…” It’s a Congressional/Constitutional question.
Except under certain National security terms etc., a privately owned company still has the right to refuse service/not use assets that don’t conform to it’s policies. This is why these platforms are not flooded with XXX child pornography and the like.
Would you prefer that John was denied the freedom to moderate this forum as he sees fit?
Reporting of things that actually happened, such as incidents perpetrated by those who attacked the Capitol building, is not considered incitement by the platforms. There is also the matter of ‘truthfulness of statements posted” to be considered. Many spreaders of false claims and verbally violent posters have been silenced, but not all.
Since the Reagan/Murdoch coalition wiped out the Fairness Doctrine, it opened the door to any media outlets becoming echo-chambers where opposing views are never heard/read. This has lead to a large proliferation of wild conspiracies, “alternative facts”, acceleration of extremist fringe philosophies, and a lack of credibility to the information available to us.
There has been no hypocrisy or political favoritism I’ve seen in this so far, but rather an uptick in enforcement of policies, as a self-preserving reaction, that was forced on the companies through presidential/governmental threats of liability for what others post on their platforms. I’ve watched people from both political persuasions get suspended/booted in this new cleansing. Nearly in equal numbers…
January 18, 2021 at 9:22 PM #87533
- This reply was modified 3 days, 13 hours ago by fiddlewood.
Interesting, I haven’t seen anyone of a left leaning persuasion get suspended at all, including various people who are trending hashtags like #hangmikepence or literally telling people to go burn stuff (Aoc).
Do you have any examples of leftists who have been banned?January 18, 2021 at 10:43 PM #87534
It wasn’t the left wing folks, but, rather, the right wing folks who were talking about hanging Mike Pence…disappointed that he wouldn’t try to bend the rules in President Trump’s favor on reporting electoral vote tallies to the congress.January 19, 2021 at 1:37 AM #87538
Gunnar, several of both “persuasions” are people I personally know and I don’t feel comfortable sharing their identities and posts here. I don’t feel this forum is the place for such things.
Peggy is correct about the pound sign thing. It was a major theme of the attack on the Capitol Building…they even erected a makeshift gallows on Capitol grounds.
Threats of violence aren’t being tolerated…seems a good thing to me, except it was easier to find & catch the bad folks when letting them post that stuff.
There are still some pretty terrible posts that are allowed, so the moderation is still fairly loose as far as I can see…January 19, 2021 at 7:08 AM #87542JoeParticipant
I wish everyone would go back to fiddling. Words matter.January 19, 2021 at 7:30 AM #87543
Agreed Joe. There are plenty of places other than a music forum where children may be reading to vent political ideals.
January 19, 2021 at 9:02 AM #87544FrederickParticipant
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Thanks, Joe.January 19, 2021 at 6:54 PM #87548IcebikeParticipant
Well said, Joe. Fiddling is good noise and drowns out confusion.January 20, 2021 at 1:10 AM #87549
Yeah, fiddling is superior to political gab flapping in every way. Here’s to hoping for a less polarized idealogical future, where everyone fiddles rather than arguingJanuary 20, 2021 at 2:16 PM #87556
For sure! Let’s click our fiddles together in unison and play some tunes together!January 20, 2021 at 3:20 PM #87559FrederickParticipant
Yay! Let’s “click” !!! 😉January 20, 2021 at 3:28 PM #87561
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